Can God Heal My Unhealthy Relationship With Food and My Body? Part 2/2 [Podcast Transcript]

Title: Can God Heal My Unhealthy Relationship With Food and My Body? Part 2/2

Podcast Date: October 25, 2024

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Description

Heather continues her interview with Angie Baughman about body image issues, focusing on community and comparison challenges, particularly for those with eating disorders. They discuss different dopamine responses to food—through restriction or free eating—and critique diet culture's praise of restrictors. Angie emphasizes the necessity of addressing the underlying causes of disordered eating and the importance of forming a healthy relationship with food. Angie shares that she now understands how freedom from these issues is attainable with God's help and how important supportive relationships are in this non-linear journey.

The episode delves into the emotional difficulty of confronting deeper issues rather than distracting oneself with calorie counting or excessive exercise. Angie shares personal insights on trusting God fully in life's challenges. They highlight the misconception that achieving a desired body image brings peace, identifying it as a "false salvation" and encourage introspection on hidden body image issues disguised as discipline.

Learn more about Angie Baughman here: https://livesteadyon.com/

Listen to Angie's podcast here: https://livesteadyon.com/vodcast/

Learn more about Compared to Who? or join the 40 Day Journey here: https://www.improvebodyimage.com

Transcript

Disclaimer: This transcript is AI-generated and has not been edited for accuracy or clarity.

Heather Creekmore [00:01:19]:

And thank you for leaving that awesome review of the 40 day journey. It was so great to get to know you there. Hey. If you're listening to this and you're like, I want that. I wanna be part of that journey. I want some answers. I want some freedom. I want some community.

Heather Creekmore [00:01:35]:

We have a place for you. Join us in the 40 day journey starting January 7th. You can sign up right now. I I can only take a 100 people, and January normally normally fills up. So go to improve body image.com. Look for the 40 day journey tab and join us. Hey. Today, we are continuing, the interview I started on Tuesday with my friend, Angie Baumann, who didn't know she had body image issues.

Heather Creekmore [00:01:59]:

She thought she had body issues. She thought she had a problem with food and controlling food and all the things that probably you've thought too. Today, we talk more about this. We also talk about the importance of community. We talk about comparison, all kinds of things that may be issues for you too. So I'm glad you're here today. Let's get right to this episode. Welcome to Compare to Who, the podcast to help you make peace with your body so you can savor God's rest and feel his love.

Heather Creekmore [00:02:29]:

If you're tired of fighting body image the world's way, Compare to Who is the show for you. You've likely heard lots of talk about loving your body, but my goal is different. Striving to fall in love with stretch marks and cellulite is a little silly to me. Instead, I want to encourage you and remind you with the truth of scripture that you are seen, you are known, and you are loved no matter what your size or shape. Here, the pressure is off. If you're looking for real talk, biblical encouragement, and regular reminders that God loves you and you're not alone, you've come to the right place. I hope you enjoy today's show, and, hey, tell a friend about it. And so some people, I think, like you and I, like our side of our angle to this food eating disorder, disordered eating story is restriction.

Heather Creekmore [00:03:18]:

Yes. Right? We're great at restriction.

Angie Baumann [00:03:21]:

But there's some people that that's not their bent. Right? That restrictions never even thought they've entertained. They've been on the other side of of it where then the distorted relationship with food becomes even more difficult because of

Heather Creekmore [00:03:37]:

the loneliness or because they've tried to go on plans where they restricted. And and it didn't work. I mean, like, I was listening to a podcast, and I wish I could remember what it was to give the person credit. But it was a podcast just about, like, the phys the physiology or, like, the, the mental I can't think of the right word, but, like, the brain science, I guess, maybe is the way to say it behind eating disorders. And it was that literally some people get the I think it's the dopamine. I get dopamine and serotonin mixed up. I wish I could never be a scientist. But but I think it's the dopamine It's

Angie Baumann [00:04:17]:

not what we're looking to you for. So it's okay.

Heather Creekmore [00:04:20]:

But, like, they get the dopamine hit. The restrictors get the dopamine hit from restricting.

Angie Baumann [00:04:25]:

Mhmm. Yeah.

Heather Creekmore [00:04:26]:

Right?

Angie Baumann [00:04:27]:

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Heather Creekmore [00:04:28]:

And then those who are freer with food in but maybe tend to be permitters, they get the

Angie Baumann [00:04:34]:

dopamine hit from the food.

Heather Creekmore [00:04:35]:

So both looking for the same thing. Right. Right? But not everyone is wired in the same way.

Angie Baumann [00:04:42]:

Yeah.

Heather Creekmore [00:04:43]:

And and I'd say, unfortunately, in diet culture, right, the restrictors get the praise. Right? Like, that's Yes. That's the you wanna be on that side, quote, unquote, to in order to be acceptable in the diet culture.

Angie Baumann [00:04:55]:

Right.

Heather Creekmore [00:04:55]:

Right? But we're all wired so differently, and this issue is just so complicated, but addressing the loneliness

Angie Baumann [00:05:01]:

Yes. Will help all of us.

Heather Creekmore [00:05:03]:

Yeah. Restrictors and not restrictors to actually remember our purpose and what we were made for.

Angie Baumann [00:05:09]:

I think that's one of the reasons that it's so I think it's so good of you to say this is a journey, and it's gonna take a while. You didn't do this overnight. You're not gonna free yourself from it. Lord is not gonna free you from it. It's not it's a longer process than that. But I think it's because it's complicated, the the whys underneath our behavior.

Heather Creekmore [00:05:26]:

Yeah.

Angie Baumann [00:05:27]:

They have to be addressed. Otherwise, even if we stop doing the thing that's not good for us in with the food, we'll do something similar in another area. Right? Because the thing underneath isn't addressed. And so I guess I just can't encourage the listener enough. Like, get the help you need. Yeah. Whatever that looks like to sit with someone you can trust that will help you say, why are we doing this? Right. Right? Like, why? What do you what are you getting out of this? Like, really, in a loving way, what are you getting out of this? How is this helping you? And how can we open our heart to a process that to allow the Lord to meet that need so that we're not trying to meet that need through something that's actually harming our body and our mind and and bringing us feelings of defeat and just giving the enemy a playground in our soul.

Angie Baumann [00:06:17]:

Right? Right. And so I just there's something else going on. And what I'm learning is food's not the enemy. Right. And we can have a different relationship with food, and it's hard to address the thing that's going on. I will never say that it's not. It's hard to look at that. Some of it's been hard for me to admit.

Angie Baumann [00:06:36]:

It's hard for me to do this today because I feel like a mess, and I feel like I've messed things up and I don't have the answer, but that wasn't the answer. And it's hard to be in that place. Right? But the Lord wants us to live free. If I know anything, the Lord wants us to live free, and it's not easy to look at ourselves this way, but it's not easy to do this either.

Heather Creekmore [00:06:55]:

Yeah.

Angie Baumann [00:06:55]:

And so I just Good. Yeah. We can do it. Yeah. With his help, we can do it. Find the help you need. Yeah.

Heather Creekmore [00:07:01]:

That's good. That's good. Yeah. I was at a conference, a couple weeks ago, and I was talking about black and white thinking. And, you know, so I'm telling him, like, you know, don't say words like never and always. Like, I didn't present it like that, but I kinda went through the list of, like, you might be a black and white thinker if you say never and always. And then I said, it's never. And then 5 minutes later, I'm like, it's never about the food.

Heather Creekmore [00:07:20]:

And I was like, oh, wait. I can't say never and always. Like, it's almost rarely ever about the food. But it's so true. Like, it it's really not about the food. And and so many of us, I mean, just so much compassion because it was the journey I was on. I'm gonna fix it by fixing my body. I'm gonna fix it by just getting to the body size that I want to be.

Heather Creekmore [00:07:43]:

Yeah. And I and it was never enough. I mean, I look at those pictures and I was like, what didn't that why why was that woman worried? Why was that woman trying to lose 5 more pounds? That does not make sense. You know? And it but it's it's never about that. It's always about something deeper that we're we're looking for. And I know for me, I'm curious to hear what this, what you would say this was for you. So I realized my body oh, I didn't realize it. The lord graciously showed me my body image idol.

Heather Creekmore [00:08:16]:

But then, like I write about in the burden of better, I tell the story or excuse me, the comparison free life. We just went through a rebrand. The movie really says the comparison free life soon. But in the book, the comparison free life, I tell the story of compared to who comes out. Right? It's my book on body image idolatry. And it's not at the place it's supposed to be in the bookstore. It's not on the end cap like they told me it was gonna be. And I am crushed, demoralized, like, feel like it's just over.

Heather Creekmore [00:08:52]:

It's bad. What what is that? Oh, wait. I made, like, writing a book, my new idol. Like, just as quick as I address the body image idol, I found a new idol. And as I've had to kinda process that, it's like, I'm just looking for some reason to be acceptable. Like, for some reason

Angie Baumann [00:09:13]:

Mhmm.

Heather Creekmore [00:09:13]:

To feel worthy. For some reason, to feel like someone should love me or would love me. Yeah. Right? And then it's, you know, I'm walking through a hard season right now with teenage stuff. And this is the same stuff I hear that. Right? And I'm like, it doesn't make sense to sound rational. Like, you do have people that love you. Your people love you.

Heather Creekmore [00:09:33]:

You know? But but I guess this is just the cry of everyone's heart. And we're all looking for something or someone to validate that. And what what what would you say? Is there is there you shared a little bit about that already, but, like, what as I share my story, what comes to mind for you?

Angie Baumann [00:09:49]:

Yeah. This, this this desire for freedom and thinking that discipline leads to freedom, which it does in some ways, but I have taken that too far. And to think that I'm worthy when something, this arrival plays there's a scene at the end of the movie where the heart is, Natalie Portman. I don't know if you've ever seen that movie. Okay. And she's walking on a college campus. It's not about the movie. And she's got this, like, not, like, short short skirt, but, like, a knee length pencil y just, like, straight skirt.

Angie Baumann [00:10:17]:

Okay? And it's got, like, some she's tiny. She's I don't know if you know she's tiny and she there's, like, room in this skirt. It's, like, crinkling, like, so you can see that it's small and she's small, but that and there that when I've got I can't tell you how many times I've gone shopping and that image of her in that skirt because that's she she is so disciplined in her life that she has a freedom to live wear that straight skirt and it has room in it, and that's when I'll be free. Right? But I don't I'm not shaped like that. Like, I don't have legs. Like, I have, like, thighs that are, like, kind of on the bigger side. I don't wear straight skirts. I wear a line skirts, and yet because I wear a line skirts, I'm not quite yet to the place that I want to be because I need to be able to wear this straight skirt.

Angie Baumann [00:11:00]:

Right? Like, so I had this idea in my mind. This is worthiness. This is freedom. This is when you've done something. I mean, that movie is old. How many years ago has that been that I've been living with, like, this image in my mind? But recently, what I understand is actually actually freedom is wearing the a line skirt, right, and being free in that. Like, being okay in that. So it's like it's never enough.

Angie Baumann [00:11:25]:

Like, it like, it's enough when you get the book deal, right, until they tell you it's gonna be on the end cap, and then it's not and then you realize that's not when did when did you looking finding an a line skirt that looks flattering and you feel good in, when did that become not enough? Because this other woman wears this skirt. I I don't know if that makes sense, but that's what I'm thinking of when you're talking about, like, there's always something that the enemy will bring to us and say, you have not been enough. You are not worthy. You're not enough That the enemy will bring to us and say, you have not been enough. You are not worthy. You're not enough. And we have to, we have to call that out and say, oh, actually this woman who looks like this. So curious.

Angie Baumann [00:12:09]:

I go to this church now, that is, it's a bicultural community. So it's all it's all in Spanish and English is what I'm trying to say. And the Hispanic women see this issue differently, I've learned. Like, they see this very differently. And one of the women came to me after I had I had offered a message on, togetherness and fellowship and feeling accepted and things ironically, right, and she comes up and she says to me that she's been going through this illness and she has felt so bad about herself. Now this is a thin this is the kind of woman that I think I think has no issues about body image. Why? Because she's thin.

Heather Creekmore [00:12:45]:

Thin.

Angie Baumann [00:12:45]:

Yeah. She's thin. But she came to me crying because she felt like my message touched her heart the way it did because she's gone through an illness, and recently she's lost £30 because of this illness, and she feels so unattractive. Heather, that, like, that conversation, like, really pierced my heart because I'm like, oh, wait a second. Right?

Heather Creekmore [00:13:04]:

Yeah.

Angie Baumann [00:13:04]:

I think that this woman in the straight skirt has no problems

Heather Creekmore [00:13:08]:

Right.

Angie Baumann [00:13:08]:

Because I wish I could wear a straight skirt. Right. But she's looking at somebody else saying, I wish I had that Right. Because I don't wanna wear this or that or I don't want my hair to be this way or something. And I'm like, it's just this circle of insecurity

Heather Creekmore [00:13:20]:

Right.

Angie Baumann [00:13:21]:

That I hate to say, but if if your book had been on the end cap, the enemy would have said, but it didn't go here on Amazon, but it didn't go here on the right? Like and you know this. I know you know this. Right? But it's just so true. It doesn't matter what we achieve. The enemy will tell us there's something else we should until we know it in our heart Yep. That our identity is secure in him.

Heather Creekmore [00:13:42]:

That was

Angie Baumann [00:13:42]:

a lot of words.

Heather Creekmore [00:13:42]:

But The fun the funny part of that that sec the second part of that story is, you know, so I have my little meltdown in my minivan. And then god worked on me and showed me it was an idol. And, you know, I'm I'm doing better. And so, like, 2 weeks later, I'm ready to go back to the store and check again. And when I get there the second time, it is on the end cap. But do you know where it was? I think this is in the book too. It was like, I didn't know they could put a shelf this low on the end cap. It was like an inch and a half off the ground.

Heather Creekmore [00:14:13]:

And so I have, like, hair and makeup done because I'm ready to do, like, cute photo by the end cap by my book. Floor? I would have to have laid with my chin on the floor in order to be in the same picture as my book. Like, it was not higher than my sneakers. Right? So I was like, here we go again. That's like around the mountain again. Like, I I think I did move it up and kind of took it in. I took a picture and then put it down, but it's still going to my car. Like, I still like, it's still not good enough.

Heather Creekmore [00:14:44]:

Like, there's still one more there's one more rung. There's one more rung on that ladder. Yeah. But the other thing you were saying, and I was like, oh, I don't know if I wanna say this or not, but I think it probably needs to be called out. Right? Like it's our envy. Yeah. Right?

Angie Baumann [00:14:59]:

Yeah.

Heather Creekmore [00:15:00]:

And then I think about, like, all the women that I talk about that are so worried about gluttony. So, so worried about gluttony and so worried about the sin of gluttony. And yet, like, I think actually sometimes the sin beneath that sin is that they're envying other women who are thinner and they kind of like want to shame and discipline themselves around the, the quote unquote sin of gluttony so that they can, like, achieve their body goals to, like, appease their envy. But I think about how, like, in James 3, you know, it says about I'm just gonna pull it up here. James 314. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but it is earthly and spiritual demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder in every vile practice.

Heather Creekmore [00:16:03]:

Right? And I remember first reading that Angie as I was like, well, it wasn't the first time I read it. But but reading that as I was studying to write, like, the book on comparison and thinking about Galatians 5, the acts of flesh are obvious, sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery, idolatry, and witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, and envy, drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you as I did before that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. And I remember reading that as I was studying. I was like, oh, wait a second here. Like, okay. First of all, gluttony is not on that list. Right? It's not there.

Heather Creekmore [00:16:49]:

Right? And a lot of what we believe about gluttony has just been influenced by Catholic ascetics over the years. I'm I'm not saying that God says we should make food our best friend or, you know, should over consume. Like, I'm not saying that, but most of us have been tricked by diet culture into thinking we're over consuming and we're not actually even getting enough. Right? So that's a whole different that's another podcast. But thinking about the reality that envy, idolatry, factions, selfish ambition. I mean, Angie, I don't know if you would say, for me, like, counting calories and exercising compulsively, like that wasn't about keeping my body, like, healthy for the Lord. I might have told you it was, but that's about selfish ambition. I wanna look good.

Heather Creekmore [00:17:35]:

So you think good thoughts about me. So you know that I'm good. Right? So you can see my righteousness by the way I take care of my body. Right? And then to go to that will not inherit the kingdom of God. Yikes. Like, that's pretty severe.

Angie Baumann [00:17:50]:

Yeah. And even the kingdom of God, you know, we talk in the Lord's prayer on earth as it is in heaven. And there's this idea that I think a lot of times we think of inheriting the kingdom of God as our inter eternal inheritance. And, of course, that's a part of it, but he wants us to experience a life abundant here.

Heather Creekmore [00:18:07]:

Yeah.

Angie Baumann [00:18:08]:

And if we're all in our own heads and and for ourselves and worried about what everyone else thinks about us all the time, which then we're not experiencing that abundant life. We don't have the peace. Here's the thing that I'm learning. We don't have the rest. Yep. Come to me when you're weary and heavy burden. I will give you rest. He wants us to live at rest, and that doesn't mean we won't have.

Angie Baumann [00:18:29]:

We he also promises we'll have trouble in this world. We live in a fallen world. However, we can approach those things with trust and joy and peace and rest. There's no peace when you're so worried about the fact that I I had to eat late in the day, and now my kids want me to take them somewhere. And I either have to eat something else that I don't wanna eat. See? This is terrible. I have to eat something else I don't wanna eat to be with them, or I have to sit with them and not eat because even though they they just want to be with me, and the food is keeping me from this invitation. You know? Those are just things that that hurts me.

Angie Baumann [00:19:05]:

It hurts me for me and my kids. It hurts me for all of us that this is the first thing that we think of sometimes. Maybe I'm maybe I'm unique, but I'm guessing I'm not.

Heather Creekmore [00:19:16]:

But this is the first thing that we're saying. Special, not special. Right.

Angie Baumann [00:19:21]:

You know, this is the first thing we think of sometimes of how is this going to impact my plan regarding these calories.

Heather Creekmore [00:19:27]:

Mhmm. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's something I've coached women around a lot is is that exact dilemma. Mhmm. Like, uh-oh. I was invited to this thing.

Heather Creekmore [00:19:37]:

Yeah. You know? And and and that even is a step for some. Right? Because for some, I was invited and it's always no. Yeah.

Angie Baumann [00:19:44]:

Right?

Heather Creekmore [00:19:44]:

And so if you're listening today, like, I hear you. I understand. Like, you're not too far gone. Like, what you're doing is not weird. Again, you're normal. You're not special. No. You you are special.

Heather Creekmore [00:19:55]:

God made you special, Veggie Tales. But but no. But it it's very common. Right? Like, that's and that's part of the trick of the disordered eating the eating disorder. That's part of this complicated, challenging journey of untangling. Why do I do this? Why do I have to be in so much control of my food and probably other things? Like, why? What's behind that? You know? And I mean, to some degree. Right? And I'm sure you've you've discovered this. Right? To some degree, it's we feel like it's keeping us safe.

Angie Baumann [00:20:31]:

Yes. Yes. I'm pausing because I'm like, yeah. How how would I express that in my own journey? I think it helps me feel like if I have this part of my life if this part of my life is not falling apart, then somehow I'm okay enough.

Heather Creekmore [00:20:48]:

Yeah.

Angie Baumann [00:20:49]:

I'm okay enough. And and it really for me, that that sense of control, I might have said this already, but that sense of control over the calories helped me not need to look at some of the other places that were crying out for attention. Yeah. You know? And that's been that's been part of the hardest part of the journey is realizing that as my body was saying, I don't have what I need. And as I began to say, okay. Well, what does that look like? What does it look like to have peace with food so that actually my refrigerator is stacked with good things? When I'm hungry, I can pull that open and I have choices in there and all of them are okay. And I can just eat and I can nourish that and then I can go back to my and back to my work, back to my life, whatever. And as I've my as I've paid attention to my body, one of the things that I've experienced is my soul is, like, just very hesitantly raising its hand and saying, I'm really needing something to do.

Angie Baumann [00:21:43]:

Like, I'm really tired, but you didn't know that because you were okay enough. You didn't have to deal with how tired you were emotionally, spiritually because you were so good at keeping this physically body thing in control, and it was enough of a distraction that I could focus on that. And I didn't really have to ask my soul or listen to my soul say, you're pushing me too hard.

Heather Creekmore [00:22:05]:

Yeah.

Angie Baumann [00:22:05]:

I didn't know that. I didn't know how tired I was. And, you know, maybe I think maybe that could be true for some other people as well.

Heather Creekmore [00:22:12]:

Absolutely. Yeah. I think that's a that's a good word. Because a lot of the women I talked to, they're exhausted from the struggle. Mhmm. Right? Yeah. And then we'll start working together. Maybe they do the 40 day journey and go into some coaching.

Heather Creekmore [00:22:26]:

And there's like a high because it's like, yay. There's a free, there's a freer way to live. And then there's like a a dip. Yes. Because you realize exactly what you just said. It's like, oh, wait. Like, I'm tired at a soul level.

Angie Baumann [00:22:41]:

Yes.

Heather Creekmore [00:22:41]:

This is deeper. Mhmm. And then it's almost like this inter internal, like, collapse of, like, exhale. And, like, I don't know if I can pull myself up off the ground again. Right? Like, this is

Angie Baumann [00:22:54]:

hard. Yeah.

Heather Creekmore [00:22:55]:

Right? I had a little bit of fun buzz with some freedom, and now this is just hard because it's a whole lot easier to not feel those feelings. Yes. And and focus on counting or exercising or, you know, any of the things that we use in this arena to distract us.

Angie Baumann [00:23:13]:

And I must be fine. I'm making it to the gym 4 times a day. I'm staying under my calories, so I it can't be that bad. I'm doing okay.

Heather Creekmore [00:23:19]:

Right? You win. I don't winning.

Angie Baumann [00:23:21]:

Hashtag winning. I'm winning. Right? It's okay. It's alright. Yeah. Yeah. You must be fine. And, yeah, and to really recognize actually, there are some other places in your life that really I am fine, but they need they need attention.

Angie Baumann [00:23:33]:

They they they don't wanna be they don't wanna be pushed this hard.

Heather Creekmore [00:23:37]:

Yeah.

Angie Baumann [00:23:38]:

And and, and a lot of that is just a covering to feel safe. And and I, you know, I talked about this recently with someone else. I feel like what this journey has done for me more than anything is help me understand where my trust ceiling is with the Lord. And I think that that he like we all have this ceiling of trust, right, that he's constantly saying, oh you're bumping up against that. Can we raise it? Can we raise it? You know, and inviting us to look at the things that we the idols, the the safety nets that we've created for ourselves so that we can depend on ourselves and not on him. And I think the other places in that ceiling are easier to break through. This one for me has been really hard. It's layered.

Angie Baumann [00:24:15]:

It's thick. It's been there a really long time, and he's just like, listen. I want to take your life to a new place. I want to take your ministry to a new place. I want to take your marriage to a new place. I want to like, this isn't this is a new day for you. I want it to be that way, but we're gonna butt our head up against this for a little while and it's gonna hurt some because I want you to break free and break through and say this isn't the limit of my trust in you anymore. Yeah.

Angie Baumann [00:24:41]:

And I think anytime he does that for us, there's some back and forth, with it. Yeah. So Yeah.

Heather Creekmore [00:24:47]:

That's really

Angie Baumann [00:24:48]:

nice. I want it to be linear. I think that's what I do. Yeah. I just want it to be this constant, I'm just moving up, moving up.

Heather Creekmore [00:24:55]:

Up to the right. Yep. Up and to the right. Like, you went to bank account. Yeah. It's

Angie Baumann [00:25:00]:

not it's not good for a black and white thinker like me. Like, if I'm not moving in the right direction, I'm failing. Right? But no. No. No. No. It's all moving in the right direction, but it's not straightforward sometimes.

Heather Creekmore [00:25:12]:

Yeah. No. That's really good. And I mean yeah. I you know, all the time I use the illustration of, like, I don't lay in bed and worry about money. Mhmm. You know, I mean, there have been seasons where maybe I did that. Right? But Yeah.

Heather Creekmore [00:25:23]:

And it's not because we're wealthy, but it's just because I've learned to trust God that he's gonna provide. Okay. That doesn't look good, but God's gonna provide. Like, he's just shown me over and over again. I don't have to worry about money. He's gonna provide. Oh, but my body? Like, you know, and some of that is warped theology. Like, well, God provides money for people, but isn't it my personal responsibility to take care of my body? Like, you know, like, you couldn't provide for that.

Heather Creekmore [00:25:50]:

Right? Until you're sick. Right? And then it's like, God provide, please. Like, you know, like that then we invite him into what's going on with our body. Right? When you get the diagnosis or the blood work back. Right? But until then, it's like, I got this one. You take care of the important things in the world. You know? There's terrorism and stuff. You gotta worry about that.

Heather Creekmore [00:26:09]:

Like, I'll just take care of my body. Yeah. I know he wants to be invited into that too. Mhmm.

Angie Baumann [00:26:15]:

So Yes.

Heather Creekmore [00:26:16]:

Yes. Yeah. And I love what you said about the kingdom of God, like, feeling his rest and peace here. As you're saying it, I was like, peace. Mhmm. Mhmm. That's it. It's peace.

Heather Creekmore [00:26:28]:

Right? And I think some of us listening or watching today, right, we still kind of attempted to believe the lie that peace will come when our body looks the way we want it to look.

Angie Baumann [00:26:41]:

When I can fit into the straight skirt.

Heather Creekmore [00:26:43]:

Right. Right. Right.

Angie Baumann [00:26:45]:

Yeah. Mhmm.

Heather Creekmore [00:26:46]:

When I have Natalie Portman shape.

Angie Baumann [00:26:48]:

Right.

Heather Creekmore [00:26:48]:

Right? And that's not where peace is found. That's not where rest is found. It's a false salvation.

Angie Baumann [00:26:57]:

Mhmm. Yeah. So I would

Heather Creekmore [00:26:58]:

just say if you're listening or watching today, ask yourself where you think you'll find peace.

Angie Baumann [00:27:03]:

Mhmm.

Heather Creekmore [00:27:03]:

Because that's a really good way to identify idols that are hiding. Right? And and if something Angie said, something I've said today has, like, I don't know, touched you where you're like, oh, maybe like Angie. I didn't know I had a body image problem. We didn't really get into that

Angie Baumann [00:27:20]:

too much. Just being good. Right.

Heather Creekmore [00:27:22]:

Right. I thought this was just discipline. Right?

Angie Baumann [00:27:26]:

Mhmm.

Heather Creekmore [00:27:27]:

If if that's where you're at today, hey, reach out. Like, we got lots of resources to help you. So, let us know. Join us on the next 40 day journey. Angie was on our last one. We got one coming up in January. You can sign up for it now. Everything is on the website for you to sign up for the 40 day journey.

Heather Creekmore [00:27:41]:

We'd love to have you participate in that. So Yeah. Angie, what are you working on? Everyone can find you at Study on Podcasts and

Angie Baumann [00:27:47]:

your blog.

Heather Creekmore [00:27:48]:

What what else are you working on? Where should people connect with you if they wanna connect with you more?

Angie Baumann [00:27:54]:

Yeah. Definitely the website is live steadyon.com. That's the hub. I yes. I have a podcast weekly. It drops on Mondays. I have a bible study method called step by step, and so that's the anchor of the study on ministry. I have a bible study community called study on university where we study together every week.

Angie Baumann [00:28:11]:

And so, yes, I would love for you to check out the website, listen to the podcast, all the things. I would just adore it. If you if you think you wanna learn from me now that you know what a mess I am.

Heather Creekmore [00:28:22]:

I think that makes you more reputable. I think that makes you more authentic and connectable.

Angie Baumann [00:28:26]:

So Hashtag truth.

Heather Creekmore [00:28:28]:

Yes. Love it. I will put links to all of that in the show notes. Thank you,

Angie Baumann [00:28:32]:

my friend.

Heather Creekmore [00:28:33]:

Well, thank you so much for being on the show today, Angie, and sharing stories.

Angie Baumann [00:28:36]:

For having me. Yes.

Heather Creekmore [00:28:38]:

Yeah. And thank you for watching or listening today. I hope something today has helped you stop comparing and start living. Bye bye. The Compared to You podcast is proud to be part of the Life Audio podcast network. For more great Christian podcasts, go to life audio dot com.