How Erin Got Pregnant at 40 after Eating Disorder and Food Issues [Podcast Transcript]

Title: How Erin Got Pregnant at 40 after Eating Disorder and Food Issues 

Podcast Date: March 11 & 14, 2025

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Today, Heather chats with Erin Todd from the Intuitive Eating for Christian Women podcast and Ashley Smith of the HA Society about how Ashley helped Erin get pregnant after 40. Even if you aren't looking to get pregnant, the trio talks about the beauty of how our bodies were made to signal and heal. They talk about perimenopause and the phenomenon of women getting diagnosed with early perimenopause. They discuss period loss, infertility, and Erin's personal story of working with Ashley to change the way she supported her body nutritionally in order to conceive. Here's what you can expect in today's show:

• Helpful information if you've lost your period or had menstrual irregularity.
• How Erin recognized that her intuitive eating had become based in habit and comfort.
• What to do if your doctor's told you you are in early menopause or peri-menopause.
• Erin's amazing story of working with Ashley, paying attention to nutrients, and getting pregnant.
• How scary it was for Erin to have to pay attention to food again and log food, and how that can be a trigger.

But this conversation isn't just for women who are looking to get pregnant. The conversation goes deeper and shifts to the distinction between control and stewardship. Ashley explains that true stewardship involves asking God for guidance rather than bowing to fear or societal pressures. This notion is reflected in Erin's personal challenges, including a series of stressful events that led her to a place of surrender and faith in God's timeline for her family.

Transcript

Disclaimer: This transcript is AI-generated and has not been edited for accuracy or clarity.

Heather Creekmore [00:00:00]:

Hey there. I'm Heather Creekmore. Thanks for listening to the Compare To podcast today. Today, I was so excited for this conversation. I know I say that a lot, but I am here with my friends, Erin Todd. You know her from Intuitive Eating for Christian Women, and Ashley Smith who was on the show. Oh, I look up the episode numbers. It'll be in the show notes.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:00:20]:

But she was on the show, I don't know, year, year and a half or so, and she is from the HA Society. And if you have no idea what I mean, that sounds fancy. But stands for hypothallic amenorrhea. And if you have no idea what that is, that's totally cool because we're gonna go there today. You're gonna learn about that. But today, our you know, from the title, you probably understood that we're gonna talk about pregnancy and what Ashley does to help women get pregnant after a long history of disordered eating, eating disorders, over controlling food, over exercising, all of those things that the three of us on this call have experienced. But then this is gonna be the super fun part. Then you are going to hear from Erin who, you know, has been on the show forever, about her journey.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:01:16]:

And Erin actually just had a baby last June, and he's sweet as can be. And so you're gonna hear how Ashley worked with Erin to help her get pregnant naturally. So it is so much fun. So even if you're not in the market to have a baby, you're still gonna wanna stick around to hear Erin's story and, just the hope and insight that is there. So, Ashley and Erin, thanks for being on the show. Excited

 

Erin Todd [00:01:45]:

to be here, Heather.

 

Ashley Smith [00:01:46]:

Yeah. I mean, what a great group of women to be hanging out with this morning. So I'm excited.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:01:53]:

Yay. Okay. Here's where I wanna start. Ashley, like, take us through just like the cliff notes version. What do you do? Your story you told in detail on the show before. But I think and so, like, I've shared in my book that I lost my period for about nine months, my sophomore year of college. So I would have been about 18, 19 years old. And I, you know, everyone told me it was stress, which there's probably a stress component to it, but my eating was pretty messed up.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:02:24]:

Mhmm. And I think that this is a common story. It's one that I get emails on all the time. I mean, people are asking me, how'd you get your period back? I'm like, for some reason, mine just came back, but that's not that way for everyone. And that's what you do. So tell us tell us a little bit about that and explain what hypothalamic amenorrhea is.

 

Ashley Smith [00:02:42]:

Yes. Okay. Cliff notes. Here we go. So hypothalamic amenorrhea is when your body is in such an energy deficit that your brain and your ovaries stop communicating. Right? Because our body hello was created and designed so, like, just intentionally that when you go through a season of undereating and over exercising to where it becomes a chronic caloric deficit, your body is like, hey. I don't have enough resources to get pregnant, so I'm going to shut off ovulation. And what that means is that your hypothalamus, pituitary, ovaries stop communicating.

 

Ashley Smith [00:03:30]:

So whether you wanna have kids or not, which I didn't in the beginning, so I was like, I don't care. Moving on with my life. Was that you will, I promise, start to care about a lack of hormones, low hormones, hormonal imbalance. This goes for everything from your teeth to your bones. A lot of my clients have osteoporosis at the age of 30. You know, just things that they're like, I never thought that this was actually going to be possible. They always warned me about it, but it never was really real. And then even then, we think, like, we think that we can out exercise osteoporosis or the other types of things that women will see will be elevated cholesterol.

 

Ashley Smith [00:04:13]:

Right? So then they start eating more low fat, but if you don't have estrogen, your cholesterol is always going to climb. And so we think that we can out exercise just these imbalances that are created from not ovulating. So whether you wanna get pregnant or not, if you are a female who would like to not go through menopause at the age of, like, wherever you're at, 25, 20 six, 20 nine. You know what I mean? Then hormones are really important. Yeah. And for females, we only make them through the process of ovulation. So kinda back to our unique design is that if we don't have enough energy to breastfeed, if we don't have enough energy to carry out a pregnancy, then our body is not going to allow us to ovulate, which would then put us at risk of doing something that we just don't have the caloric energy to do. Now where this I feel like this ties in is that I didn't have technically an eating disorder, but I actually don't know what woman doesn't have disordered eating living in 02/2025 or wherever.

 

Ashley Smith [00:05:19]:

You know what I mean? So what's really interesting and something that I'm really passionate about is that you don't have to have an eating disorder in order to develop hypothalamic amenorrhea. You just have to be dieting long enough and over exercising long enough, either one or the other or both together, and then that's where this conversation now reaches almost every single woman.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:05:41]:

Right.

 

Ashley Smith [00:05:42]:

You You know what I mean? Yep. So yeah. So that's really, I help women in that area, restore ovulation naturally and then get pregnant if that's what they wanna do or if they do want to return to exercise. But in a way, that's through the filter of, am I ovulating? How is my cycle? Where the sign of health is not your body composition, but is, like, are all functions running? Mhmm.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:06:12]:

You know what

 

Ashley Smith [00:06:12]:

I mean? Yeah. So yeah. So that's kinda what

 

Erin Todd [00:06:15]:

I'm doing.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:06:16]:

I mean, that that should probably be said again and louder. The side of health is not your body composition. It's our all functions running. So, like, just a little side note here, when you hear a woman that's told she's in perimenopause at 30 or 35, like, what are you thinking?

 

Ashley Smith [00:06:37]:

Yeah. My I'm always like, okay. Show me because I never wanna discount somebody because that's your worst when you know, like, when you go to a doctor and they just don't listen. Right. So I wanna make sure that I'm never guilty of the same thing. But but instead, I think I'm filled with a lot of hope for them because I'm like, girl, this is strongly likely not the case. But first, show me your labs. Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:07:02]:

Do you have labs that reflect this, or do you likely have labs that reflect hypothalamic amenorrhea? Or and so here's the other thing that you could be on the spectrum Mhmm. Of hypothalamic amenorrhea. Like, technically, hypothalamic amenorrhea is when you have lost your cycle after you've been, like, cycling, like, you've already hit puberty. You've lost your cycle for three or more months consecutively. And so while perimenopause is, like, this tricky because your hormones are coming in and out, in and out, in and out, if you get labs consistently enough, you will see that wild fluctuation, and then we can have a different conversation. But it but if your hormones are repeatedly tanked, this is not perimenopause. You know what I mean? Yeah.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:07:52]:

And thankfully

 

Ashley Smith [00:07:55]:

thankfully, hypothalamic amenorrhea, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at labs and find it. It's it's all over PubMed. It's not hidden. It's just not well known

 

Heather Creekmore [00:08:05]:

Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:08:06]:

If that makes sense. And so that's really encouraging to me when they're asking those questions, and I love that they're asking those questions because, my gosh, you may have twenty more years of ovulating. Mhmm. I don't think that you want to go into menopause twenty years early. I just don't know if we are comprehending what state that puts our brain in, what state that puts our arteries in, in our bones. Like, that's twenty additional years Mhmm.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:08:41]:

That

 

Ashley Smith [00:08:41]:

you're not going to get back. Mhmm. You know what I mean? And, thankfully, like, women survive I mean, I'm not I'm not trying to make menopause like like, it's something that you can't survive, but I truly believe that how you prepare your body going into that season truly matters. And that's the difference of, like, a really tough like, my mom had a really tough experience, but she also dieted her entire life.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:09:11]:

Mhmm. Yep. Right too. Yep. Yeah. Same. Same. You

 

Ashley Smith [00:09:15]:

know? And she lived a very high stress life, and I'm sitting here like, oh my gosh. Lord, anything but that. Mhmm. Like, that looks really and then plus she just at her age, I mean, unfortunately, nobody was ever talking so openly about menopause. And so she just went into it just not even knowing how to advocate for herself. So there's a physical side, then there's that side. Long story short, you wanna spend those twenty years, like, ovulating. You know? Yes.

 

Ashley Smith [00:09:47]:

Osteoporosis can be reversed. We have seen women's bones start to heal after they start to ovulate. Look here. I'm not go I'm not I'm not going into menopause already with osteoporosis, osteopenia, or on the verge. Like, I got too much to do, lord willing. You know what I mean? Like, I got too much I got too much traveling to be no. No. Oh, no.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:10:11]:

Yeah. Well, so is it so I mean, I'm I turned 50 this year. And so I'm I'm in it. Right? I'm in perimenopause. And even, you know, I didn't really notice it until, I would say, maybe two years ago with sleep and hot flashes and those kind of things. Right? And and realizing, I mean, I've got some topical, like, compounded estrogen that I'm on now, progesterone and stuff and, like, life changing. Right? Yes. But but as, you know, I'm I'm talking to people who are much younger than me, who are told that they're there.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:10:47]:

And, you know, and then we're also told in perimenopause that the way to save ourselves from perimenopause is to diet more. Right? I mean, that's diet and exercise more. And so watching women diet and exercise more and more and reduce their calories more and more and, you know, reduce certain macros more and more. Mhmm. And it's like and then the symptoms don't necessarily get better. It's just like this frustrating cycle. So I just appreciate you shedding some light on that.

 

Ashley Smith [00:11:17]:

Yeah. Well, think about this. You're never going to diet out of a hormonal imbalance, like, in terms of perimenopause. Like so here's the other thing. Like yeah. Yeah. It's just, like, these things are oh, that's my dog.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:11:38]:

He Special guest.

 

Ashley Smith [00:11:40]:

Special guest. It's just one of those things where it's like especially when it's not perimenopause. Mhmm. Like like so, like, you wind up creating like, you're already in a hole, and, unfortunately, you're digging such a bigger hole. And, like, we see this with PCOS too with women who are misdiagnosed with PCOS, which is also very easy to find in labs. It's all over PubMed as well, so it's not a secret. But they wind up digging themselves in a deeper hole because that is a PCOS protocol. Right? And so it's it's really, really, really interesting.

 

Ashley Smith [00:12:22]:

Like yeah, I think that we want it to be a diet thing because we want to gain control. We're like, this is an uncontrollable situation. I'm gonna regain control by reducing this, but most of the times, it really is letting go of control. It's so interesting. Like, letting go of control is actually gives you the control that you're craving. Right? Like, whenever, like, we let go of making cookies, like, the, or sugar, the worst thing in the world, once you let, like, control of that, like, you actually find that I actually I don't binge eat. I'm not obsessed with it. And then all of a sudden you're walking in this quote, unquote, control, which really is just freedom.

 

Ashley Smith [00:13:11]:

Hello. Mhmm.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:13:12]:

You know

 

Ashley Smith [00:13:12]:

what I mean? But, like, letting go of that control is when you actually find the control that you are desiring, but, like, we just keep going. Like, we just keep going the opposite way and trying to get it done.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:13:25]:

Yeah. Yeah. No. That's spot on. And so, I mean, this kinda ties back to age, perimenopause, and control all in one. And we have Erin who at 40 is like, maybe I wanna have a baby. And, Erin, might you just share a little bit about your journey with those things?

 

Erin Todd [00:13:49]:

I'd love to. Okay. So it's just so fun to be here because, Heather, you're the one that suggested that I connect with Ashley.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:13:57]:

I was thinking that, but I didn't wanna take credit. But I was like, I didn't want you.

 

Erin Todd [00:14:00]:

You definitely get credit for that. It's amazing to have such a full circle moment of being here with you because when you had her on your podcast, the first time, must have been right around when I was starting to try on my own. And so, you guys both walked with me the whole way and connected me. Heather, it took a couple of months before, I actually called Ashley up, but, I did in true Aaron fashion. I had to give it my own shot and DIY for a while, and then I realized, hey. I'm getting a late start to this party. Why am I trying to do this myself? Why wouldn't I not get help? Like, why do I want this to take longer? And it was so humbling to finally get some professional help and some coaching because I didn't do that with my food journey. That was just me and God walking it out, and, he's very patient, but it took a long time.

 

Erin Todd [00:14:55]:

So I'm like, I I'm gonna take some shortcuts here and get some help and not, keep spinning my wheels on the same things that I would have been Ashley knows. I would have been doing the same things I was doing, and I would have been getting the same results I was getting. So I really needed, some outside objective eyes and some knowledge to just kind of school me because I thought I was good with food, but I needed help. I thought I was good with, just my attitude about it, but I needed to surrender again.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:15:26]:

Yeah. Okay. So let me let me pause you there, Erin. I want you to go on, but I just I just wanna kinda bring that out and maybe we add some color to that. Right? You thought you were good with food. You are hosting the intuitive eating for Christian women podcast. Yes. You are teaching women about intuitive eating.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:15:43]:

You That's right. Have been on your journey from dieting and restriction and all the things to intuitive eating, and yet you still hadn't arrived. Right? Because none of us actually arrived. Exactly. There. But, like, can you fill that give us a little bit more color

 

Erin Todd [00:16:00]:

to that? Sure. So I think what I realized was I had gotten into a routine with how I was eating, and food was thankfully not something I was thinking about all the time anymore. I was kind of just doing it, and it was just happening and not getting a lot of mental bandwidth, which was, you know, one of my favorite things about intuitive eating is I just don't have to stress or even think about this stuff. It just happens. The food is on my table, and I'm eating it. And what we learned with, with Ashley's help in making me do food logs and stuff like that, which I was like, oh, do I really need to do this? And it was like, yes. Because I wasn't being very thoughtful because I wasn't thinking about it, and I wasn't being intentional around the areas where I needed to be intentional to make change. I was just wanting to go through it without having to think about it.

 

Erin Todd [00:16:51]:

Thinking about it was, oh my goodness. I think a lot of us can relate to the the fatigue, the mental fatigue of just constantly having the food dialogue running in your head of what's coming next, what did I just do, what does this mean, and just that calculus that you're always doing. And so when you finally get silence up there where that has been, you don't wanna put that back. I really resisted having to think about it, but, being curious and compassionate and intentional about food again was really a challenge. But it was possible, and it didn't push me back into the overthinking and the obsessing. It was just intentionality.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:17:29]:

So intentionality and, Ashley, I want you to jump in here. Like, there what is the balance? Like, how do you help people who come from a disordered eating background? You're she's making all kinds of faces. It's like the balance between okay. No. Legitimately, there's, like, macros and, like, you need certain amounts of these if you have, you know, certain health things going on, and I feel like I'm back on a diet.

 

Ashley Smith [00:17:58]:

Yes. Oh, I would love that you bring this up because I

 

Heather Creekmore [00:18:04]:

Ashley's coming to us from the zoo.

 

Ashley Smith [00:18:06]:

I have a zoo. I have an urban zoo.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:18:08]:

A cat just walked by. I have

 

Ashley Smith [00:18:10]:

and mind you, they have the whole house to themselves. My toddler would be in here too if she could.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:18:18]:

I love it. Love it. Oh my

 

Ashley Smith [00:18:19]:

gosh. So I love this question because, honestly, it's so valid and it's so real. And when Erin and I first started, there wasn't anything for her to, like she didn't have these it wasn't like she was fooling herself and she was living in restriction and all these and, you know, like like, that's not what was going on. I think it was just one of those things of, like, yeah. But to optimize at 40, you know, we probably just need to push this a little bit more. And I feel like that feels so heavy whenever you've come from a place of bondage with food.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:19:03]:

Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:19:04]:

So then I think sometimes there's this rewriting of what intentionality is because we may not have we may not have always been able to walk that line of intentionality without it just diving over into dieting and restricting because, like, we just don't have a lot of experience of with that. Does that make sense to where it's like it feels like a gray area, but maybe only because we just don't wanna go back to that bondage. And so anything that resembles it, anything that looks like it, anything that maybe even slightly feels like it, even to where it it could be even triggering to be like, a food log.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:19:44]:

You know

 

Ashley Smith [00:19:45]:

what I mean? To where that's a genuine trigger.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:19:48]:

Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:19:48]:

I hear that. I hear that. And then it's learning, but, like, I need to see it so I can help provide you feedback just so I'm not shooting in the dark. And so now we're going to revisit this habit, but it's not for the same purpose, and now we have to walk that out. Right? Like, I think that that's really, like, what it is. It's like having to revisit possible similar habits that we have previously used to control our body and be like, oh, no. But now I'm using it to nourish. Like, I had the same resistance to meal prepping because I associated meal prepping with just dieting.

 

Ashley Smith [00:20:31]:

Does that make sense? And so Yeah. And so I feel like where it's this and and then let me like, one of the things and so I feel like intuitive eating means that you're on a journey of constantly being open to learning about yourself.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:20:49]:

Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:20:49]:

You You

 

Heather Creekmore [00:20:49]:

know what

 

Ashley Smith [00:20:50]:

I mean? It's this constant journey. Like, I remember I was, like, three years recovered, and I had orange juice. And it felt like I like, I was like, oh my gosh. When was the last time I had orange juice? Had I been unknowingly avoiding juices even though I've I've got my period back? I've, like, I've, like, done the work with, like, my body image and getting back into movement. I've had a baby. I've been postpartum. I'm fine on the other side. We're we're sitting here at a donut place, but yet and then, like, I had a cup of fresh squeezed orange juice, and it hit me that I can't recall the last time I've had juice.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:21:36]:

Right.

 

Ashley Smith [00:21:37]:

Yeah. And I was like, oh my gosh.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:21:41]:

Yep. I

 

Ashley Smith [00:21:42]:

don't wait. I didn't even know I was avoiding it.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:21:46]:

Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:21:46]:

And so I feel like when it comes on that intuitive eating journey, it's like, I am open to realizing, I may have unknowingly kept a habit Yeah. Not because I was trying to diet, but it's just kinda lingering. You know what I

 

Heather Creekmore [00:22:05]:

mean? Right.

 

Ashley Smith [00:22:06]:

And so I feel like that's how I have to frame it when I take women who have had a history like that, and yet I have to ask them to do something like, hey. I just need a food view. I just need to see pictures. I just need to see what's going on. Mind you, do and and then the other thing that we ask women to do is to track their basal body temperature. And anybody who's had a history with the scale, they'll be like they'll leave a scale. They're like, I have burned my scale. Good.

 

Ashley Smith [00:22:37]:

Check. But then we transfer that same mindset from the scale to temping. And now my temperature that morning means something about me and means something. And so, again, it's having to ask them to walk this line, But then in in that process, hopefully revealing, we're going to do this, but for a different reason, and it's gonna feel uncomfortable in the process. But I promise you, this is this is for a season, and then you go back to not needing a food view. This is for a season, and maybe we do something you know what I mean? And then being able to use habits as a season instead of a lifestyle or quote, unquote part of your discipline. Mhmm.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:23:20]:

Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:23:20]:

It's just it's, it's, like, willing to get in the mess with some people and be like, I promise you we're not going in that in that direction. I promise you there's a different purpose for it. And I promise you it's like, this is temporary.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:23:34]:

Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Okay. And aside on the juice thing, I read a study, like, literally last week, and I know you love studies too. Yeah. I read a study that said people that drink, like, an eight ounce glass of juice every day, actually have better blood sugar regulation than people who don't. And I was thinking and they have a less less likelihood of diabetes.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:23:54]:

And I'm like, oh my word. Like, how long have I, like, oh, I can't drink juice anymore because all that sugar, just a straight shot to the diabetes wagon if

 

Ashley Smith [00:24:03]:

you drink juice. Got it.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:24:05]:

Oh, no. That's not it.

 

Ashley Smith [00:24:06]:

Got it. Or even, like, all the things where they're like, you would never drink that much juice ever.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:24:11]:

Eat that many oranges. Yes. And I'm

 

Ashley Smith [00:24:13]:

just like, okay. Maybe you're right, but maybe because I'm lazy, not because it's possibly not available.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:24:20]:

Yeah. Yeah. Anyways but yeah. No. I had to decide juice. Yeah. I

 

Ashley Smith [00:24:25]:

had to get juice, and I was like, wow. I feel amazing.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:24:29]:

Yeah. Well, okay. So but I mean, I think the core of what you're saying. Right? And then so back to you, Erin. Right? Is you, like, legit were like, I'm intuitive eating, and then you're like, oh, no. I'm kind of in routine. Can you fill that out?

 

Erin Todd [00:24:46]:

Yeah. The thing that that actually broke me over, and this was, you know, this was the uncomfortable what you just described is uncomfortable for a season was adding protein to breakfast because my breakfast out of habit, because this is what I've always had, is fruit and toast and coffee. Like and she's like, yeah. But you're gonna need some protein in the morning to support, you know, all for all the all of her reasons, footnote, footnote, side note, like, all the different studies of this is why you need protein. But I'm like, yeah.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:25:17]:

But that's not what I do.

 

Erin Todd [00:25:19]:

It's like, yeah. But she need it.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:25:21]:

Yeah.

 

Erin Todd [00:25:21]:

Your body needs this to support, you know, getting my cycle where we wanted it to be and all the things. And so I had to break that habit of, like, but this is how I do things. Mhmm. And intentionally go, okay. Well, I'm gonna choose to include something here that's gonna support my body and give it some additional nourishment. And that doesn't mean I'm eating something that I don't wanna eat. That doesn't mean I'm not honoring hunger and fullness. All the other things are still in play.

 

Erin Todd [00:25:49]:

And I think where we had to leave it on the first time when she really insisted I do this was like, okay. I'll try it. Like, let me let me just try it and see what happens. If I don't like adding protein to breakfast, we can always, you know, figure something else out. I can always come back to her and say, oh, I didn't like your idea, and I didn't wanna do it. And it's like, okay. Let me just try it. Let me just be present in my day instead of just going on autopilot and doing what I always do.

 

Erin Todd [00:26:18]:

I have to think about things, and try something different. Otherwise, I'm gonna get the same result. And so I think you've you've quoted that as the definition of insanity many times, Heather, and I think a lot of us want to just keep doing what we're doing and get a different result. And I'm I was so there. It's It's like, lord just sat me pregnant. I don't wanna make any changes with food. Yeah. I don't wanna do anything.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:26:43]:

What what what I also hear, and then I'll let you go on, Erin, but I also hear that Ashley, in her compassion and wisdom, she didn't have you restrict anything. Right? She didn't say, no, Erin. Your breakfast is wrong. No more toast. No more fruit. It's only scrambled eggs and maybe a little bit of bacon. Right? She was like, no. Eat your toast and fruit and, you know, give me some protein, which, you know, we've talked about on the show a number of times, but, like, that addition mindset

 

Erin Todd [00:27:14]:

Yeah.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:27:15]:

So much easier, so much healthier, so much less stressful than a, you have to make a complete swap of this beloved meal.

 

Erin Todd [00:27:25]:

Yes. A %. What can I add Yeah? In terms of variety and just support. Like, that that is a a positive approach. What can I add?

 

Heather Creekmore [00:27:37]:

So you start adding protein to breakfast. And then what happens? Like, carry on.

 

Erin Todd [00:27:42]:

Well, we got some good, cycling results pretty quickly after that. I'd say my body responded really well. It it took a couple of of cycles through to sort of learn what was going on with all of my and, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and and blame mom brain for this. I forgot all the name of the phases already, Ashley, so you can chime in with what phase was weird that we were seeing results in as we were adding protein. I just it was really cool to just watch my body kind of respond to that. And, you know, it just went on from there. I was getting a little bit stressed that summer. We were working together.

 

Erin Todd [00:28:22]:

Life was just crazy. And so it was kind of stalling out a little bit, although I could see my body responding, and we kinda came to a big emotional mental health head. And we had to get to another big surrender moment before, we got through to the actual conception part. But, the work with food on the front end and the challenging of how I was thinking about it and just my whole approach to how I was treating my body and what I was expecting it to do and on my timeline and, you know, all of the type a dieting mindset stuff creeps back so much. I couldn't help but notice how that was popping up for me again. It was kind of like I was having to revisit food. I was having to revisit mindset stuff again too. It's like, look how attached I am to this outcome.

 

Erin Todd [00:29:08]:

How is this different than being attached to a number on the scale? And boy did I try and do that with the basal body temperature stuff in the morning. It's like, my brain grooves are so deep there. You have to really think about not getting stuck there and talk yourself out of that, or be blessed enough to have a coach to help talk you out of that or a friend to help talk you out of that. It's so easy to slip back into that. But, eventually, we did get pregnant, and, you know, I had a one percent chance according to the fertility doctor.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:29:43]:

Yeah. Let's go there, Erin. Mhmm. And so you're 40. You're going to the doctor. And I don't did you tell them that you were gonna try Ashley's Hocus Pocus? I mean, that that's how they would they would cash it out. Alright. Did you did you tell them that, or what did that look like?

 

Erin Todd [00:30:00]:

So I had already been with Ashley a couple of meetings before that appointment with the fertility doctor. So I was very educated. She gave me questions to ask. I knew I was coming in there armed with some cycle charts to wave in her face and see what she had to say about it. She was not interested. But, ultimately, you know, the the point of going to the fertility doctor was just to get the the check to make sure, you know, everything's going everything's okay organ wise. Like, there's nothing wrong with, you or your husband. There's no barrier to a natural conception.

 

Ashley Smith [00:30:33]:

Mhmm.

 

Erin Todd [00:30:33]:

And she couldn't point to anything other than, my age.

 

Ashley Smith [00:30:36]:

Mhmm.

 

Erin Todd [00:30:37]:

I was like, well, there's nothing wrong. You got a clean bill of health. We don't know. You know? You're I think I was 41, actually. And so it's like, yeah. Yeah. It's just, you know

 

Heather Creekmore [00:30:47]:

Yeah. Well, I mean, because you're you're AMA at 35. Right? Right. Because I had I had a baby at 35 and then another one at 37. And so, yes, I I heard all the time about my geriatric pregnancy. But, Ashley, so okay. So, like, I mean, I I wanna be clear here. Right? Like, not everyone's gonna get pregnant just by adding more protein.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:31:08]:

Right? And and, you know, there are some some challenges from, you know, every side. I mean, it might not even be you. It might be him. Right? But can you give us some hope for the woman who maybe is, like, my only last option is IVF? Like, what is is that always true?

 

Ashley Smith [00:31:29]:

Yeah. I think this is a great question because AMH is a tricky one. And I say tricky because, and, like, we spent some time chatting about this. AMH needs to be measured. So first off, I I could rattle off a million studies about AMH. And with that being said is that you actually can't test it one time and then use that as a marker of, like, fertility. One, it changes drastically throughout your cycle. It changes based on your ethnicity.

 

Ashley Smith [00:32:02]:

So we're already taking a few things. You know what I mean? And it is really used in the fertility world of IVF. They use that as their marker because they're not going to improve anything holistically before they put you down that path. Does that make sense? Mhmm. Where AMH is a reflection of your, like, follicles. Right? Like like, the pool of follicles. And so what we see with specifically is that when it's turned off, no. I do not expect AMH to be great.

 

Ashley Smith [00:32:42]:

Mhmm. It's going to be in the toilet. Like, it's like, hello. There's no estrogen getting to it. There's no, gonadotropin. You know what I mean? Like, there's there's nothing nourishing, nurturing, facilitating. That whole system is shut down. So with AMH, you know, with that too and so that's why I think, unfortunately, when it comes to a natural pregnancy, AMH is also used, although natural pregnancies and IVF are not the same.

 

Ashley Smith [00:33:16]:

They like, they're legit not the same. Right? And so really and truly, we wanna be careful on what measures we're using for what we're actually doing. Right? And what is the the conditions on why our labs are the way that they are. Right? So I think that that's something really important. And I think just because I've had I've had clients where their AMH was practically dust

 

Heather Creekmore [00:33:46]:

Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:33:47]:

And she got pregnant fine. You know what I mean? She did come from an eating disorder background. Mhmm. Right? So she actually had primary amenorrhea due to hypothalamic amenorrhea. So this means that somebody never started their cycle due to dieting in their teens and stuff like that. Right? And so, of course, their AMH was so low that the doctor was like, you need to get in next week. We need to start the process. We need to freeze your eggs because you're not gonna be able to you're never gonna be able to get pregnant by yourself.

 

Ashley Smith [00:34:23]:

Well, once she worked through her eating disorder and then worked on restoring ovulation, she got pregnant just fine. Mhmm. So my whole advice of is IVF the only option is I think that we need to pause and take a look and see where you at and what is actually causing the infertility struggles. Like, I feel like we need to ask a lot of those questions first, then then, like, just assuming that that, you know, like, IVF is the best option. Because, unfortunately, what we see is that even women with they don't respond well Mhmm. To IVF as well. Mhmm. So then, unfortunately, we get a lot of women who have spent a lot of money, time, emotional energy Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:35:07]:

Just, you know, just things that you're really not getting

 

Heather Creekmore [00:35:10]:

back. Yeah. And

 

Ashley Smith [00:35:11]:

then and then they are able to get pregnant with us. But it's because we address what, you know, what was the underlying issue. Yeah. And I think, again, I think that that is so important.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:35:24]:

You know? Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Well and we're gonna I was gonna break us for the next episode. Yeah. But I'm like, oh, well, we're not gonna break. I'm too late. So we're gonna just keep going.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:35:42]:

The there's a food side. Right? There's a legit, like, macronutrient side. Right? But we all know that underneath eating disorders, there's often control issues. Mhmm. There's often stress because we're not only stressed about body size, weight, appearance, all those things. We're also stressed about food. And I mean, I you know, my story is I would go to bed every night, like, cataloging, like, what I did wrong in terms of food and what I did wrong in terms of exercise or maybe, like, patting myself on the back because I didn't eat any sugar all day or whatever the the, you know, diet du jour was, but there was stress around that. Right? And so, Erin, you weren't necessarily in that kind of stress, but life threw you a literal hurricane, and there was other kind of stress.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:36:31]:

Correct?

 

Erin Todd [00:36:32]:

Yeah. Yeah. I was having just a very hectic season of life with a lot of just external stress that I couldn't do anything about. And, actually, we got to a point towards the end of the summer where I had to tell Ashley, I was like, I I can't, continue putting in work on it because we we've identified all the ways stress is impacting this. Like, we know that's at play, but I also I can't change it. I'm just surviving it. And so, like, I actually needed to take a break from the work. I'm like, I need to put this down for a minute because I've got other fires to put out and, like, I just need a breather.

 

Erin Todd [00:37:09]:

And as soon as that happened with the, oh, gosh, just August of whatever that year was, I'm I'm losing years already, ladies. I lost my French bulldog, who is my fur baby. He passed away. And then two weeks after that, we got flooded. Our home got flooded in a hurricane. And so it was just this big upheaval, just trauma. I I would call that I've experienced that as a big t trauma, for me personally, which I hadn't really experienced before. And so that was the stress culminating and coming to a head in an actual big experience.

 

Erin Todd [00:37:56]:

But with that came I think that was almost like a forced surrender. I was doing my my daily practice of just having to constantly put it down again, give it back to God, give it back to God, and, you know, really trying to come in agreement with, if this is your will, we'll get pregnant. And if it's not, you know, I won't like it, but I'll accept it. And your way is always better. Mhmm. But the providential timing of after that trauma, the next cycle is when we conceived. And so I can't help but reflect on that now and just think, wow, lord. You knew what was coming.

 

Erin Todd [00:38:36]:

Yeah. And we got we got pregnant right on time. Yeah. Had I been pregnant before that trauma, I may not have continued to be pregnant. I mean, just the thought I when I think on that, I can't help but well up with tears a little bit.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:38:53]:

Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, Ashley, you do a sweet job. I mean, you've got a biblical counseling background. You do a sweet job of combining the okay. Like, let's talk straight talks about straight talk about, like, the facts around, like, this nutrition thing and, you know, this physical thing. But then also, like, let's let's take in, my friend.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:39:18]:

What's going on with you? I see. So what do you see there? What do you see?

 

Ashley Smith [00:39:24]:

It was it was so good because I think the Lord has with, you know, with, like, Erin, like, we even have to surrender our timelines.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:39:39]:

Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:39:40]:

Every healing journey, we have to surrender this timeline. And whether you're 40, you're 26, whether you wanna get pregnant, whether you don't wanna get pregnant, the Lord has, like, very specific themes in this type of healing. And, like, even exactly to her point of, like, had we not surrendered this timeline? You know? I can't think about, like like, this isn't the first time that the Lord does stuff like this. Right? It's all throughout the Bible. Right? It's all throughout the Bible. Like, you know, like, we see, like, when Abraham and Sarah, like, tried to force a timeline. Look here. There is a long history of women forcing some timelines.

 

Ashley Smith [00:40:18]:

Very

 

Heather Creekmore [00:40:20]:

interesting. Yes. And I

 

Ashley Smith [00:40:22]:

have made history as part of it. You know

 

Heather Creekmore [00:40:24]:

what I mean?

 

Ashley Smith [00:40:25]:

But, like, I think we could say it just doesn't work out. And so I think, like, what about the goodness of God where he's like, you know, you're gonna blame your body. You're gonna think it's not working. The doctors are gonna tell you these impossible things. But, like, what if it's just because it's not the timeline? And just because our timelines don't match up doesn't mean that, like, there's something wrong with you. You know, I think, like, I you know, this this type of work, I think I possibly forget how blessed I am to see God move in the different ways that he's always teaching me. But it's just like, I think it's also this, like, awe and wonder of, like, you could be doing everything right, and you still cannot force life to come. Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:41:16]:

You know what I mean? And and and it's not because you're bad. It's not because the Lord doesn't favor you. It's just you were never meant to control that. That's not for you to control. Like, you don't operate in this sovereignty that he does. And so, again, I think whenever the lord has always been teaching me and teach my clients is that when our timelines don't wait up, how we respond directly reflects what we believe about the goodness of God.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:41:47]:

Mhmm. Yeah. You know

 

Ashley Smith [00:41:47]:

what I mean? And I'll just preach that to myself over and over and over. Right? That when I get sour when I get sour in my timeline because it's not matching up and I've submitted a great proposal to the Lord, everything's mapped out, and he doesn't get on board Right. And I turn sour, it is because there's a small part of my heart that still that still doesn't believe like, I don't have a right alignment about his goodness. Mhmm. Right? And I don't even know if that was even, like, like, Aaron was really, like, yeah. You know, like, I wanna get pregnant. But if the Lord doesn't have it, that's fine. You know what I mean? But and so you're like, it's not always that that's not always the tripping part, but there is always this level of, like, surrender.

 

Ashley Smith [00:42:36]:

Mhmm. Right? That there's always there's I believe that, like, while on this earth, I will never be able to fully receive from the Lord. And so it is a guarantee that I probably need to work on that. I probably need to work on receiving fully everything that the Lord has. Yeah. And also while I'm on this earth, I you know, I'm probably not fully surrendered.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:42:58]:

Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:42:59]:

And so, therefore, I will have a lifetime of learning to surrender more or learning to surrender things that I've already thought I surrendered. Mhmm. Right? I think a lot of times too it's comfort. Right? I love with Erin's story. I really feel like it's sometimes we feel so safe and comfort that the Lord wants to bring us out of our comfort zone to show us that we're still safe.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:43:22]:

Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:43:22]:

That it's not the comfort that keeps you safe. Right?

 

Heather Creekmore [00:43:25]:

Yeah. That's good.

 

Ashley Smith [00:43:26]:

It's not that. And so, again, right, like, you can only do that in a place where you're like, no. I'm pretty good.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:43:34]:

Right. No. No. No. No. Lord. I you

 

Ashley Smith [00:43:37]:

know, like, I'm really good in this. You know what I mean? So, again and it's his goodness to reveal it because he wants more for us. Right? Not because we suck at it and, like, he's sitting here being like, ugh, you still haven't arrived.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:43:51]:

Yeah. Yeah. Because if we're always comfortable, are

 

Ashley Smith [00:43:55]:

we really trusting? Right? Absolutely.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:44:00]:

Like, I mean, that's a really hard thought to process, especially for women who enjoy control. And, you know, you you've said before something, and I'm gonna not quote you correctly, so maybe I'll just let you fill this out. But, like, in our desire to control things let me ask you like this. Can we make things worse?

 

Ashley Smith [00:44:29]:

Look here. You know what the Lord has been teaching me through all this? There's control and then there's stewardship.

 

Erin Todd [00:44:35]:

Okay.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:44:36]:

You know? Aaron loves that. Aaron that's Aaron's favorite word.

 

Ashley Smith [00:44:39]:

Yeah. There's control and then there's stewardship and the and you're like, I really feel like yeah. I don't think control actually ever works out. You know what I was saying the other day? I actually think that control is of the highest delusion.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:44:54]:

That's a good quote.

 

Ashley Smith [00:44:56]:

Like like, we have worked ourself in our own reality that we are under the oppression, under the impression to the point where we actually believe it wholeheartedly that we control things.

 

Erin Todd [00:45:09]:

Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:45:10]:

You can't control the hair on your head. You can't control, like, what's gonna happen in thirty seconds, and yet, like, it's so easy for us to slip into this false reality that we actually have control. You don't know the exact day you're gonna start your period. You don't know. Like, like, know. And, like, going through this journey, I feel like the Lord is, like, revealing us to us because they could no matter how much you desire to restore ovulation, it's not happening unless certain things are in place. And then and then the Lord is like, yeah. Things you know what I mean? Like, let's move forward.

 

Ashley Smith [00:45:42]:

Like, you can't you you know what I mean? Like yeah. And so I actually think it's like I call it I I have to frame it as the highest level of delusion Mhmm. Almost to shock the system and almost be offended at it because we are so comfortable believing that we have control. Mhmm. Yeah. And I think becoming a mom, like, you'll be just straight up convinced you certainly now have control. I had this one moment, you know, postpartum. Right? Thankfully, like, I had a good postpartum.

 

Ashley Smith [00:46:21]:

I actually think there's a lot spiritually going on postpartum than there is physically, but that's a whole other

 

Heather Creekmore [00:46:26]:

Yeah. That's a show. Yeah. That's a show.

 

Erin Todd [00:46:28]:

I I

 

Heather Creekmore [00:46:29]:

have got stories there. Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:46:30]:

That I actually mean. And I remember just becoming to this reality that I can't fully protect my child.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:46:38]:

Mhmm.

 

Ashley Smith [00:46:38]:

Like like, just this raw reality. Like, I can't protect you from everything. Like, I literally cannot. Mhmm. And then so I remember asking the lord, like, lord, like, well, why did you give me this child if I can't protect this child? And the Lord was like, I never asked you to protect it. I asked you to steward this child. I am the only one that you know what I mean? Mhmm. And I think as moms, you're just like, because I think we chase this thing where, like, we're just this level of protection all the time, and I because there's a false sense of control.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:47:12]:

Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:47:13]:

Right? Like, I feel like that to our control and protection, it's like this good motive, but, like, what if the Lord what if the Lord called me to steward my child? Mhmm. Equip my child? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because he's never called me to and and I'm not saying that we shouldn't protect our children, but, like, you will be chasing your tail and everyone else's tail if you think that you can fully protect your child because the raw reality is that you can't.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:47:42]:

Right.

 

Ashley Smith [00:47:42]:

And I was just like, well, nothing like that to burst your control bubble to make you realize that you've been living in this delusional land.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:47:56]:

Yep. You

 

Ashley Smith [00:47:57]:

know what I mean?

 

Heather Creekmore [00:47:58]:

And that applies perfectly to body too. Right? And, Erin, I want you to jump in here too, but it's like, I control my body. I make sure that I don't get these certain diseases by eating a certain way and exercising a certain way. I mean, it just everything you said and I'm just you said it so beautifully and I it's just my perimenopause brain just it left. But it's the same thing. Like, it's a delusion of control. I cannot protect my body from things. I can steward it well and do the best I can, if you will, but then that gets so fuzzy too.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:48:33]:

Oh, I hate that language. Erin, what are you thinking?

 

Erin Todd [00:48:36]:

Yeah. I think the stewardship concept is a much healthier framework because the control is it's a lie. It's a delusion completely, and we're fooling ourselves and not getting anywhere.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:48:50]:

Yeah.

 

Erin Todd [00:48:51]:

And it's not even what we want. Like, the control is because we want to be safe or because we want to be loved. Like, there's something under that. So it's just like this false barrier to your actual needs. Yeah. And so, yeah, I think the stewardship concept really I've already felt that, Ashley, about that. This child is not is not mine to control.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:49:13]:

It's not

 

Erin Todd [00:49:14]:

you've given this child to me to care for, and and that's something I've been tasked with doing, something I've been blessed with. And then I'm returning him to you. He's yours.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:49:27]:

Yeah. Yeah.

 

Erin Todd [00:49:27]:

Well I think the stewardship idea that is the key there is that it's not yours. Yeah. And part of this control thing is very mine and very pride and me, and, like, that's just like, those are not the same things. Like, completely having to recognize that you have something, but it's not yours. Like, your body, your child. Yeah. It's not yours. It's God's.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:49:58]:

Yeah. And I think those of us that come from the background, we do. We are like, oh, finally free from stressing about my body. Like and then you have a baby, and it it does become that now I've got something else to troubleshoot and and perfect. Right?

 

Ashley Smith [00:50:18]:

I mean, that was

 

Heather Creekmore [00:50:19]:

my story. And, Erin, you and I were talking about this. You know? It's like, oh, you have a sniffle? Let's test you for allergies. Let's see how like, all the things. Right? Oh, you've got a little pain. Oh, let's take you here. You know? And it's it it does. I mean, it's it's convicting.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:50:34]:

It for me, you know, kinda walking with Erin through this, I so she's got a newborn and I'm graduating one this year. And so it's it's been a sweet time for us to walk together, at least for me, Erin. I've, you know, like, oh, I remember that. Yes. Oh, okay. Well, that's what I did to my newborn. Now he's 18. That wasn't the best thing, but no.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:50:57]:

Not not that I think like that. But but just just recognizing, like, those same patterns of control. And I would say, like, our hearts are normally well, our heart the heart is deceitful of of all else who can know it. Right? Like, I think our intentions are, I just want the best. You know, I just wanna do my best. And, like, even that word stewardship gets so fuzzy in the church. Right? Because stewardship can sometimes mean to certain people, well, to be a good steward, that means I have to be on a certain diet and I have to restrict certain foods and all those things. And it just gets messy because that's not actually what being a good steward is.

 

Ashley Smith [00:51:35]:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a whole other like, we should come back and talk about that.

 

Erin Todd [00:51:40]:

We should.

 

Ashley Smith [00:51:41]:

That's a hot one. Yeah. I'm pretty sure God never told us to worship the temple, but here we are.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:51:51]:

Yep. Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:51:53]:

You know?

 

Heather Creekmore [00:51:53]:

Yep. Yep. Well, that's that's a good mic drop moment for today. Ladies, this has been so helpful. Like, any any parting thoughts? And, actually, let me direct those parting thoughts. Because I I know that there's a audience that's just listening because they're curious, And then there's an audience that's listening today maybe because, man, they're about to give up hope. Like, they really want to be pregnant more than anything. You know, maybe maybe it's a younger woman who's already been told because of her of disordered eating or eating disorder that it's not possible for her.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:52:30]:

Like, can you just offer some hope to that that part of our audience today? Erin, you can go first and then, Ashley, you can close this up.

 

Erin Todd [00:52:37]:

Yeah. I just I wanna let my story and my testimony of this fertility journey at this age, you know, with this background. I I wanted it to bring hope to women that your body is amazing. And if you support it and take care of it, it can do amazing things naturally. I mean, I had a one percent chance according to the doctor, and God had other plans. And so I I I think if you can really work on your heart posture and checking to make sure you're not attached to an outcome, checking to make sure you haven't made an idol out of a healthy, lovely goal, and you can give it back to God because it's his, then you can have a really enriching journey that, may result in a pregnancy, but will definitely deepen your faith and teach you to depend on the Lord for everything. And that's beautiful, and that's growth, whether there's a child on the other side or not.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:53:46]:

Oh, that's good. That's good. Ashley, final thoughts. And maybe in this final thoughts also how people can connect with you and what it looks like to work with you.

 

Ashley Smith [00:53:54]:

Yeah. I think one of the final thoughts would be, you know, I think about stewardship is to make sure that, like, we are seeking God's position on this and not man's. Right? And just really as, like, we submit to him and get our next steps and get our directions, you know what I mean? If if, like, the Lord has spoken to you, like, hey. You know, kids are not in the future. I would like for you to go down this other direction, then okay. But it but if it's fear, then, you know, it goes back to stewardship. Am I stewarding am I are my actions, like, lining up with fear? Because if they are, then, like, then like, that's not stewardship either. Right? Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:54:42]:

And so I feel like it's one of those things of, like, if if meaning that I'm sure he is, but I'm not gonna speak for the Lord. If, like, he's calling you into a place of healing, then, like, he's going to reveal like, he's going to choose to reveal things that he wants to heal, not to shame you or not to discourage you. Right? And so I think it's really this pressing in of, like, god, I believe that you're good. So when you reveal these things to me, when you ask me to take this action, I know it's because you want to heal me, not because you wanna discourage me or throw it in my face or remind me or, like, traumatize me from it. You know what I mean? So I think that that's one of those things that, like, if, like, you are losing hope, I really wanna pause and be like, what is exactly speaking to you? Mhmm. Right? Like, let's take an inventory of what's speaking to you. Mhmm. You know, is your situation speaking to you, which is very real, but what has God but has God spoken about that? Have have we inquired?

 

Heather Creekmore [00:55:42]:

Yeah.

 

Ashley Smith [00:55:43]:

So that's where I would be when when it comes to hope. And if you ever wanna connect, I'm over at the society on Instagram, thesociety.com. And then if you like to specifically work with someone with a biblical background, then, like, you just always request, hey. I just need to work with Ashley, you know, and then, like, we'll kick you over to my site.

 

Erin Todd [00:56:08]:

Awesome.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:56:09]:

Awesome. I highly recommend it.

 

Erin Todd [00:56:11]:

Yeah. Noted.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:56:12]:

Erin. Yeah. So does Erin. You got Erin's stamp of approval. Ladies, thanks so much for being on the show today. I think this was super helpful. Thank you. Yeah.

 

Erin Todd [00:56:21]:

Pleasure to be here, Heather.

 

Ashley Smith [00:56:23]:

Bye, guys.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:56:24]:

Bye. And thanks for listening today. I hope something today has helped you stop comparing and start

 

Ashley Smith [00:56:27]:

living.

 

Heather Creekmore [00:56:28]:

Bye bye.